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Russian propaganda war is based on this principle.

They are not transmitting coherent alternative narrative. They as just delivering constant stream of bullshit faster than it can be debunked. Just increasing the cognitive load and creating cognitive dissonance is a valid propaganda method.



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That's one of the core principles of how propaganda works. And Russians are currently utilizing it perfectly.

There is now another 'form' of propaganda that seems to be being used:

> We characterize the contemporary Russian model for propaganda as “the firehose of falsehood” because of two of its distinctive features: high numbers of channels and messages and a shameless willingness to disseminate partial truths or outright fictions. In the words of one observer, “[N]ew Russian propaganda entertains, confuses and overwhelms the audience.”[2]

> Contemporary Russian propaganda has at least two other distinctive features. It is also rapid, continuous, and repetitive, and it lacks commitment to consistency.

> Interestingly, several of these features run directly counter to the conventional wisdom on effective influence and communication from government or defense sources, which traditionally emphasize the importance of truth, credibility, and the avoidance of contradiction.[3] Despite ignoring these traditional principles, Russia seems to have enjoyed some success under its contemporary propaganda model, either through more direct persuasion and influence or by engaging in obfuscation, confusion, and the disruption or diminution of truthful reporting and messaging.

* https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

This has been picked up by some other folks:

* https://www.vice.com/en/article/epzxqj/steve-bannon-jan-6-tr...

* https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/16/20991816/i...

For a history of propaganda, the book Munitions of the Mind by Philip M. Taylor may be of some interest (the third edition was published in 2003, so covers up to 9/11):

* https://manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/9780719067679/


That's a general accusation, but what exactly are you referring to? Can you provide examples?

> blatant Russian propaganda

Propaganda isn't so blatent; it's used because it works.


Indeed, fighting the "Firehose of Falsehood" propaganda model is quite challenging:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

> Since its 2008 incursion into Georgia (if not before), there has been a remarkable evolution in Russia's approach to propaganda. The country has effectively employed new dissemination channels and messages in support of its 2014 annexation of the Crimean peninsula, its ongoing involvement in the conflicts in Ukraine and Syria, and its antagonism of NATO allies. The Russian propaganda model is high-volume and multichannel, and it disseminates messages without regard for the truth. It is also rapid, continuous, and repetitive, and it lacks commitment to consistency. Although these techniques would seem to run counter to the received wisdom for successful information campaigns, research in psychology supports many of the most successful aspects of the model. Furthermore, the very factors that make the firehose of falsehood effective also make it difficult to counter. Traditional counterpropaganda approaches will likely be inadequate in this context. More effective solutions can be found in the same psychology literature that explains the surprising success of the Russian propaganda model and its messages.


To further this point, a RAND Corp study: "The Russian 'Firehose of Falsehood' Propaganda Model: Why It Might Work and Options to Counter It"

https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html


That is explictly the idea of a lot of propaganda: "the firehose of falsehood".

Keep hammering them with facts, details, allegations, baseless claims, even slivers of truth. The average person doesn't have the time, interest, or capabilities to dig through all of those claims, and will eventually settle on consuming the facts they want to hear. Keep em too confused to do anything except what feels right to their gut.

Unsurprisingly, this was pioneered by the Soviets, and heavily used by the Russians, both via foreign agit-prop, but also heavily on their domestic audience.

See also: The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html


The idea that the media in the US is pure government propaganda. There is vigorous debate on innumerable issues. Think for instance of the climate change debate, or Middle East policy. In Russia you don't have that at all.

One of the basic tactics of pro-Russian propagandists is to not deny that the media in Russia is all propaganda, but try to persuade people that the same is true everywhere else.

The idea is that people won't know what ideas to trust, and will become cynical and apathetic. Once that happens Russia can simply expand unopposed.


Propaganda is not an inherently russian technique and that fact that you believe so implies you are a victim of anti russian propaganda.

There is just a propaganda war being waged period... it's just easier to see the absurdity of some of the Russian propaganda.

The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model -- Why It Might Work and Options to Counter It https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

> The Russian propaganda model is high-volume and multichannel, and it disseminates messages without regard for the truth. It is also rapid, continuous, and repetitive, and it lacks commitment to consistency.

So they just copied the Republican and Democratic parties propaganda models?


Have read some of the source materials on the propaganda they talk about, and what I've found it comes down to is criticism of the nonsense is basically a tarpit.

The bit about Putin's propaganda guy is super interesting, as what he's doing makes complete sense within other frameworks. The advantage these propagandists have is they believe one simple thing and it's very easy to signal, operationalize, and organize around. It's basically nihilism.

The article does get a couple things wrong e.g.:

> Big Lie: Using a complex array of events to justify an action or narrative. What you do is take a carefully selected collection of truths, lies, and half-truths that all seem to tell a story (which is actually revised history) and use them to construct a story that eventually supplants the public’s accurate perception of the underlying events.

The Big Lie tactic is (as I remember reading in Cialdini, maybe?) something necessarily absurd like Kim Jong Il hitting 11 consecutive hole-in-one shots on a golf course, where if you can't contain your disgust at how absurd that sounds, and you have some sense of self where it is offensive for you to believe it, you mark yourself out for isolation and attack. The Big Lie is primarily a tactic to get people to react, and the people whose identities are still anchored to truth are potential resistance leaders, so this lets them paint themselves as targets. It's also called a "wedge issue," and is the complementary tactic to dogwhistles and watchwords. It is also close to a "scissor statement," which is a statement that only has polarized and opposing interpretations. (HN thread on scissor statements: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21190508)

There are also some standard sales and negotiation tactics thrown in there, and oddly, some of their own tactics to create a slant are written into it.

However, the goal of a propagandist is to hold your attention and it doesn't matter what you actually think, because as long as the propagandist has your attention, you are passified by their noise and not acting against them or in your own interest. Arguing the logic or principles? Engaged. Outraged? Engaged. Have a side? Engaged. Ditched family and friends over politics? Engaged. The job of a propagandist is to manage your attention and make the stories you tell yourself the ones they taught you, they don't actually care what you think, only that above all you do nothing, and so small squads of less than 10 people at a time can seem to control entire cities.

The best filter against propaganda is attitude. The question, "how do I benefit if they are wrong?" goes a long way to establishing the necessary personal boundaries that keep you from spending too much time mesmerized. Having an axiomatic truth as a co-ordinate or waypoint for who you are prevents you from being completely submerged by narrative. Deflecting arguments helps as well because they are mainly bait for a tarpit, and as Dale Carnigie said, "nobody wins an argument." If your reaction to something is angry or excitable, you are downstream of someone trying to get inside your head.

Anyway, it's a good and important article on a pet topic, so my advice for dealing with propaganda is: it's your attention they want, only ever give it on your own terms.


the modern propaganda departments like the one in Russia pushes dozen of competing and contradictory stories, debunking it doesn't matter, they print BS faster than what you can analyze to get a few to stick and will point to a different one as you try anyways.

tl;dr; you want people to think the facts presented are false but you have no actual argument against them.

Is wikipedia also Russian propaganda?


I explicitly mention firehose of falsehoods.

I didn't say that propaganda is solely Russian. But that technique is closely aligned to Russian propaganda which we can all "admire" in the open ( eg. rt)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood#:~:tex....

Please, don't change subjects. The technique used by T. Is most similar to what i mentioned. You haven't given any source to discredit that.


The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model

https://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

I especially like the title of the section, "Russian Propaganda Is Not Committed to Consistency".


Tactics like this are inherently effective. They spread doubt about the truthfullness of information by spreading false rumors about disinformation. It seems like this could be pretty effective at swaying the public opinion of groups that don't have easy access to other information sources, such as to quell dissent within Russia.

To paraphrase the green box from the post:

    Distinctive Features of Contemporary Propaganda

    1.  High-volume and multichannel
    2.  Rapid, continuous, and repetitive
    3.  Lacks commitment to objective reality
    4.  Lacks commitment to consistency
This just strikes me as modern. It's not only Russia that does this. There are online movements that use the exact same technique.

The RAND think-tank published a pretty good white paper last year on the Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" propaganda model, which seems in line with what you're describing.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/perspectives/PE198.html

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