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> Teslas are basically hacked together, according to multiple reports and analyses, teardowns.

I've got a news flash for you my friend: everything is basically hacked together.



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> the fleet size increases and becomes a more valuable hacking target.

Tesla has a (IMO rediculous) high market cap and stock value. A severe hack could affect that, which, combined with a short position, would allow attackers to make a large amount of money.

What I'm saying is: Tesla already is a valuable hacking target.


> no Tesla so far has been stolen using techniques like this

Maybe they were, we don't actually know.


> Only fix was replacing the assembly.

This is nuts. And tbqh hard to believe. Part of me thinks the lack of mechanic knowledge around Teslas make it really easy to exploit owners. With most other vehicles, you can usually cross check with other mechanics


> It really starts to feel like Tesla is a huge fraud which is about to be uncovered.

It was always the case.


> Also, like Apple devices, I assume Tesla will have master control over the cars in the same way and can brick them if needed.

They’ve done this in the past a few times haven’t they? Like when people have done battery swaps or refurbs without Tesla’s approval?


> I think that's currently the case for Tesla, selling the only commercially available semi-autonomously driving car ATM.

"I think that's currently the case for Tesla, selling the only commercially available semi-autonomous [electric] car ATM."

FTFY


> Tesla is well and truly fucked

Sorry, this is just absurd. Tesla is the only company designing for massive scale and ruthless simplification from the start. Their entire DNA is based on YAGNI.

Every other legacy automaker is pinned between their dealerships, their dependence on consumer debt, their own massive debt, and the fact that they'll need to cannibalize existing business to pivot to EVs.

No other company owns their own destiny by being more in control of their supply chain than Tesla.


> I wonder if that will happen to Tesla also.

They're in the "fuck around" phase, it's up to them if they'll find out.


> I’ve talked to multiple Tesla owners (despite being a group I actively try to avoid)

This would be impossible in California; perfectly normal people who don't particularly like Elon Musk own Teslas here.

> Everyone else will flatten Tesla because ultimately the premise that people want this much computer in their car is flawed for the vast vast vast majority of people.

Unfortunately, all the other carmakers seem to be putting a bunch of software and spyware in their cars as well. :/

Seems pretty hard to get a decent, working, analog car these days.


> why wouldn't they screw over BMW and Lexus?

Because Tesla markets itself as "the safest car on the road".

> collude

Who is saying anything about collusion?


> Tesla's keeps getting worse and worse.

Oh, and they replaced ultrasonic sensors with cameras in newer cars.


> Tesla is a software company that happens to make cars

Probably the scariest statement in this thread, given what we know about the reliability of software.


>I am not sure why there is so much anti Tesla sentiment here in HackerNews.

I just hope it is not limited to HN, and there is more anti Tesla sentiment out there as well.

They deserve every bit of it.


> Then there was the crazy claim from Musk that the cars would be appreciating assets because of the software. LOL.

Not only will they appreciate in value, Teslas will earn you money while you sleep. [1]

[1] https://futurism.com/the-byte/ride-hailing-tesla-elon-musk


> If you buy a conventional car, your interaction with the people who made it has ended. With Tesla, that interaction has only just begun.

There's something unnerving about this. Your car has access to so much information about you. Where you go, where you work, what stores you like to shop at, and what restaurants you like. To me, a car is a tool. When I purchase a car, I'm purchasing The engine, the wheels, and the right to use the software running behind the scenes. I couldn't care less about forging a one sided, Orwellian relationship with a large company. Even if that company is freakishly awesome.


> Surprised to learn it's not tesla

Actually anyone even slightly interested in automotive industry isn't surprised by this. Tesla's tech is all smoke and mirrors for years now


> Sensanionalist article. So Tesla makes sure to manually fix flaws in the parts of cars that are manufactured before using them. Sounds like every manufacturing line ever.

What should our expectation of Tesla's manufacturing process be when the CEO makes tweets like this: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/881757617416056832 ???


> but judging from the information I've read in the Tesla blog post

Lol


> Part of me thinks the lack of mechanic knowledge around Teslas make it really easy to exploit owners.

This has nothing to do with Tesla or mechanic knowledge, as actual mechanics working on non-Teslas routinely scam owners. Scumbags are just always going to exploit people without knowledge.

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