>A camp in the investment industry even think Tesla is a fraud,
At this point in Tesla's history, how is it a fraud? It is manufacturing and selling cars. It is building batteries. I can see where some may think it is not living up to the hype/promise of returns, but they are actually making and selling product. Yet people are still claiming fraud?
> Tesla is an awesome company with so much potential.
I used to think the same, but after some years, I came to the realisation that Tesla is just the Silicon Valley's idea of a car company. They have been releasing unfinished products with glaring quality defects for a while now, and they have overpromised almost since the very beginning.
I honestly can't wait for more car makers to go fully electric, so consumers have better choices.
I realize this is a tangent, but I feel like it ends with Tesla going bankrupt before they ever come close to building a self-driving car, or even for the narrative to wear off for the general public. I believe a criminal investigation should be brought against Tesla for negligent manslaughter due to the fraudulent advertising and consequential deaths, but I have no expectation of that ever happening.
I just get really angry when people lie, then people die, and nobody does anything about it. As another commenter pointed out, Elon Musk himself is still demonstrating the technology as being completely autonomous just a few months ago.
> Owning a Tesla was a source of pride and is now a mark of shame and mockery.
This is so true. Why sabotage your main user base? Owning Tesla is similar to staying in trump tower. I am really waiting for tesla sales numbers in liberal states like California and NY.
>It seems really what you are saying is not that Tesla are charlatan but the whole industry is.
The entire industry has an air of charlatanism. Tesla is the biggest charlatan of the bunch. The LIDAR-using ventures at least have a snowball's chance in hell. Tesla has no chance with vision alone.
Sorry, this is just absurd. Tesla is the only company designing for massive scale and ruthless simplification from the start. Their entire DNA is based on YAGNI.
Every other legacy automaker is pinned between their dealerships, their dependence on consumer debt, their own massive debt, and the fact that they'll need to cannibalize existing business to pivot to EVs.
No other company owns their own destiny by being more in control of their supply chain than Tesla.
>a ridiculously obvious attempt to associate with Tesla.
Nikola was building barely functional prototypes of their trucks years before Tesla was building barely functional Semi truck prototypes, for the record.
>What were they thinking? Were they being amoral and hoping to ride this pump and dump or did they actually buy into this shit?
Fundamentally, what have they done that's so evil compared to, say, the multitude of things Tesla has claimed over the past few years?
For example, Tesla claimed door-to-door cross country self-driving tests, oh, about 5 years ago. At what point is it aspiration versus indictable fraud?
They deceptively claimed that for additional money the customers' cars would be enhanced in the future with FSD. They then made that claim again each time they failed to deliver. They continue to make this claim and people are trusting it.
It was always the case.
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