>And besides subscriptions, version 7 will only sync using their back-end, which is not acceptable for me.
What. I'm using 1Password 7 with a standalone license. I installed the beta, paid the $40 it cost for a license, and it works fine with iCloud and Dropbox same as always, I moved right from 1Password 4 and the only change I did was to purposefully force a resync so that all shared keychains would be updated from the ancient format to the newer one (if you were on 1P6 that wouldn't be necessary).
I'm not a fan of their subscription efforts because I think it's actively subtracted from what they could have done for the standalone version, and I don't think they've been fully honest about it which absolutely rankles. They talk big about benefits but they don't actually acknowledge costs or the profit motive. Even so there is a really oddly high load of objectively, trivially disproved FUD swirling around these HN articles about them now and I don't fully understand why.
> and I haven’t been able to upgrade to any of the newer releases
Why not, i use iCloud to store my 1Password data, and i still use the latest macOS 1Password version (7 i believe).
It's a standalone app without a subscription (i would never pay for a subscription just because they tacked on a cloud service I don't need, to justify the subscription model...)
> When I asked 1Password about it, their response was that the functionality wouldn't be coming back in 7 because it wasn't a supported configuration -- it's called 1Password so users should only ever be remembering one password!
What functionality has gone from 7 and isn't coming back? Multiple vaults with distinct master passwords and not requiring their cloud backing?
>to forcing people to migrate to their cloud only infrastructure ... fully SaaS
A slight gentle correction. I criticize them elsewhere in this thread, but in fairness I have to point out that this isn't quite correct yet. It's still possible (though they've buried it) to buy a standalone perpetual license for the latest 1Password, run purely local vaults, or keep syncing via Dropbox, iCloud, or manually over WLAN. There isn't any hard tie to the 1Password.com service yet.
Perhaps they'll put the kibosh on that in the future. And they can be and I will criticize them for not having better local sync options, which they clearly stopped bothering with in favor of their own cloud offering. But for the time being I've still got a fully local 1Password 7 license that works the same as every previous version.
>1Password’s desktop app is much worse than it use to be all while each platforms built in capabilities are getting better.
I keep reading this but as a user of 1Password over the past decade or so, the functionality hasn't changed much. I'm confused as to what they're spending all the VC money on because these re-writes haven't done much but in terms of functionality, I think it's best in class.
> I discovered that every time you click "export" in lastpass, the export accumulates a copy of the vault. My second export had 2x of everything in it, 3x for third, etc.
WTF
> I see the features in 1Password and I almost cannot forgive myself for holding onto Lastpass for such a long time.
The export process was the thing that mainly held me.
There was also an issue where 1Password would not work properly with a Work Profile on Android if you ALSO had a non-work-profile version of the app, which translated to "if you use 1password at work and in your personal life and you have a Work Profile, you cannot use 1password inside the work profile (it must be outside)"
In the end, this is just a bag of passwords, so as long as it's keeping things safe, it should be acceptable.
It didn't.
And it also doubled the price without giving any software improvement over the years, which is very bad.
>But we’re looking at moving to something like BitWarden because it has true SSO support, while 1Password doesn’t.
That is what I am curious about, too: starting the the v8 of 1Password I just can't justify paying premium for 1Password anymore as a mac user who has a family account. Both have Electron clients and cloud-only vaults, but Bitwarden subscription is 40USD/yr., and 1Password charges 60USD/yr.
In my opinion 1PW just lost any advantage it had, at least for non-business users.
at first blush, i was going to state this is much ado over nothing. this doesn’t affect anyone but snowflakes. a company can’t be in the position of supporting snowflakes. the fact that 1pw even engages customers at the level that such an issue is discussed at all, on their own forum, speaks volumes.
but then, well, otoh after reviewing, regardless of that truth it still is despicable. removing a critical feature, without notice, in a point release, on a platform where it’s incredibly hard to rollback. 1pw needs to step up and release another point version with the feature restored.
worse that that even, is the official PR spin couched as a personal reply. it leads with “oops thought no one used this feature. sorry!”. followed much later with:
> We receive enough customer support from people who set up 1Password in this way
that’s enough for me. i was a longtime customer, using it since the start. time to move on.
As a very recent 1password user: Make the more secure format the default for new installs. Enable migration to that format without this braindead[1] process.
> Without a doubt the password manager with the best UX is 1Password.
I would agree for the macOS and iOS versions but the Windows version could get some polish. The default title and menu bars still hang around, the font choice isn’t that great, and all in all it feels less nice to use.
> Spoken like someone who did not use the "drag this window on top of the QR code on your screen" feature
This feature still exists, and it is even easier to use. You no longer have to drag any windows around. The QR code just has to be on screen and you press the button. :) If you're having trouble with it please reach out as we'd like to troubleshoot.
> nor its ability to detect native application's bundle-id and fill in passwords based on the application currently in focus
1Password 7 didn't do this? It didn't fill in any 3rd party apps except browsers that had our browser extension installed. 1Password 8 actually not only detects these apps but also fills in them. https://support.1password.com/mac-universal-autofill/ If that is not working for you, please reach out.
> To include Windows users in this fun, previously one could invoke a hotkey and 1P would offer to auto-type into almost any Windows dialog on the screen. Poof, gone
Agreed. I miss the one too. I'm hopeful we're going to be able to bring it back soon.
> but it would also be true of a desktop app using an offline vault
Well you can set an application firewall to block all internet access of the 1Password app. So, it can't update automatically, and when you manually update it and it would contain malicious code, it still can't connect/upload anything to the internet.
You can even use 1Password sync via iCloud, which is handled externally - not by 1Password, but by macOS.
Unfortunately, this can not be done on an iOS device (no app firewall), since Apple locks down everything and decided users may not control their own devices anymore :'(
> 1Password got famous for building a great core product. It managed my logins I stored myself and autofilled them wherever I needed. It was clean and simple. Now they are so focused on growth and Product features like this that they have completely lost their way.
The issue is, the "core product" has been Sherlocked - i.e. is now an included feature on many operating systems and browsers. Apple's iCloud password manager is available on all Apple platforms plus on Windows. Android/Chrome and Windows are improving their in-built password managers as well.
So 1Password, as a business, has to pivot to selling to businesses, which is where they expect most of their revenue to come from. This has resulted in individual customers being sidelined, so perhaps you should switch to one of the free inbuilt alternatives.
> it's not unreasonable to expect it to work for some period of time after the purchase.
"it works" and "the developer gives me support" are two different things. In this case, I'm sure the shareware he wrote still "worked," but clearly they thought they were entitled to perpetual updates or the ability to chat to the developer any time they like.
As far as I'm concerned, the SLA of $10 shareware I volunteered to pay for is "whatever the developer is willing and able to provide." It's $10. ¯\_(?)_/¯
Fwiw, 1Password isn't nuking 1P7 or existing local vaults. Those users are free to keep using v7 for as long as Apple or Microsoft allow the app to be installed on the OS. (And I do agree, macOS and iOS are both quite abrupt about cutting off support and I commend Windows for going to great lengths to avoid it)
it seems they've done just that, 5 days after (4 days ago now).
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/07/19/1password-restores-loca...
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