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But then why call it "infiltration"? Infiltration implies a plan and sinister intent.


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"infiltrated"? may I have some source for that?

That's what "exfiltration" generally means, yes

It seems to me that "covert" is implied by the word. Spying is done in secret by definition.

It's a shortened version of "exfiltration"

  | "infiltrating and influencing revolutionary
  | groups"
This happens in the US now, but usually the undercover official isn't attempting to convince them not to do something bad. They are either encouraged to do something bad, or allowed to, so that they can be caught in the act and everyone can get a good pat on the back for a job well-done in capturing the 'bad guys.'

Identifying individuals in an enemy's secret services sounds to me to be a tactic to say:

> "You tried to hide from us, but not only do we know it was you, we also know exactly which operative did it. We have fully infiltrated your intel agency, you might as well give up now".


Exfiltrating classified tactics, techniques or technology for the purpose of supplying a rival power with a tactical advantage would be a good working definition.

Whatever definition is used if it includes leaking war crimes to the public and youre ok with that you are signing up to putting the pieces in place for a fascist dictatorship. That is not an exaggeration.


Ah I see.... for an article about a covert investigation it sure assumes intimate knowledge of the covert investigation

So I'm not really sure how he became known as an infiltrator because he never infiltrated anything. After thinking about things a while, I think he, deep down, understood how silly his job was at the time...."infiltrating" a bunch of peaceful protestors. I'm talking grandpas, grandmas (and damn brave ones let me tell you), college students, etc...The people they wanted to "infiltrate", to this day, cook meals EVERY DAY for homeless and poor people in our community.

... why would you call it "secret police"?

> inside job

An "inside job" comes across like the government explicitly set the terrorists on the path they took (or some of the terrorists were government agents). It seems more likely to me that certain elements in the government could have become aware of the plot and turned a blind eye.


Well the point is I am much more comfortable with the idea of them infiltrating something than with the idea of them being total impostors.

Not entirely comfortable, though.


infiltrate? They're not spies. They're savants at best.

Its a euphemism for spying then.

Because spies actively use the technique and it's routinely discussed in that setting.

I though the spies would interpret it as "We are tracking an undercover agent" but now I see it was a silly interpretation.

Infiltrators are paid to participate and push opinions that are unrelated to their own (although they may match by coincidence).

There is a difference in doing things overtly and covertly. If they are doing it covertly they will probably think it through a lot more carefully, since the stakes are higher. And if some things that were previously done covertly but are now done overtly, it doesn't sound so far fetched that other things that were earlier not done at all are now done in secret.

EDIT:speling


"the goal was espionage, on a scale that no one imagined before."

NSA comes to mind...

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