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And as always, first thing a classless society does is to find a way to emulate classes.


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So how does this lead to a classless society?

Just the opposite really. In a classless society people will not be treated like commodities.

Its a rather classless society in that non of them have class.

Actually, that's really not true. A classless society refers to a society which lacks any distinctions of wealth, income, education, culture, or social network.

Assuming that „classless“ society would be fair..

I have a little trouble conceiving of a completely classless society - at some point you have to acknowledge that, for example, some programmers are better than others, and that that's a positive thing. That acknowledgement alone creates a class. The important thing is upward mobility - we shouldn't define "better" as "knows the other people who are 'better'".

Who in the 21st century still thinks classless societies are even possible? I can't think of a single attempt in reality that succeeded, and it's been tried across cultures and via different methods.

It's always a good thing to strive towards (like achieving 100% or 0), but never possible. And class mobility (in both directions) is a great attribute to have - resists classes turning into castes.

"There will always be something to envy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_GzXcTkzNU


Rebirth of the class system.

I've got to wonder how much this phenomenon is because the US has eschewed social classes. Since there's no arbitrary "divine right" classes to occupy most people's apparent desire for hierarchy, people actively try to recreate such classes based on the available criteria.

On the other hand, don’t worry about reproducing the class system. Maybe join a union or something.

It's called a class system.

Class distinction and hierarchy are precisely the sort of social mechanisms that convince people that there exists alternatives to certain modes of living (class aspiration).

It's the reproduction of a class society. Some people are deemed worthy of it but most are not

One has to enforce classism.

America masquerading as a class-free society doesn't address people's desire to have a class-based society, so they seek that freedom where they can

Americans (I am one) have the fantasy of a classless society, but we're every bit as class-oriented a society as India or the UK. It took me years to fully realize this.

I doubt this has anything to do with the "old class system", because you can see this pattern anywhere in Western culture.

> "class" - we don't need a class-structured society, that's a leftover from a feudal past.

You got this one backwards though, the notion of “social classes” is a left-winged concept, while the conservatives are usually the one pretending they don't exist.


Who in 2023 is under the illusion that we live in a classless society??
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