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I will speak with other leaders at my company to move us away from Zoom for conferencing. If you're a leader how can you read this and not only tolerate it, but pay for it? This is it.


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You're kidding right? I routinely decline meetings where zoom is used. Good UX doesn't wash away corporate douchebaggery or outright and intentional compromise.

Can you provide more details about how this works? I'm stuck with Zoom meetings that I feel are long and ineffective, but I'm not sure how to sell my manager on eliminating them.

I run a consulting business and have found people have started to request in-person meetings. I tell them Zoom is more efficient (which it is) and they agree.

I hear people talk about meetings not working for them. I can't understand the issue. I've used it for many years across groups that are small or large, personal, commerical, whatever, macs, all phones, linux, windows.

At my new company they wanted to pay a license to use zoom. I asked why don't we just use meetings for free? The answer was it makes us look professional. That's where zoom is. There are dozens are alternatives.


Exactly. My company is actively shopping for a conferencing tool, and Zoom just ensured that it's eliminated.

And there are people who don't like to have all their meeting through zoom when the amenities provided by the company allow for much more comfortable and productive options. Choice is indeed key.

>I really hate zoom meetings. Unfortunately if everyone just does whatever they want, then even the in-person meetings get dragged onto zoom because there’s at least a few people who are remote and need to dial in.

Something often missing from these discussions is that at many large companies, A lot of people are scattered around the country/world so, even if they are in an office, a lot of meetings are going to be by Zoom anyway. And frankly, if some people are going to be remote, it's good policy that people generally dial in individually if it's an interactive meeting.

So this isn't necessarily a WFH/WFO thing. Decades before there was a Zoom, at least half the meetings I was in had lots of people on a conference call.


Stop using zoom and stop holding endless meetings.

We are at the point where every org is going to pay for zoom anyhow like they pay for both ms office and gsuite for the same set of workers. People send meeting links on zoom to clients and collaborators at other orgs. Its the standard now. Try sending a teams link and your clients will say “well we dont use teams can you send a zoom link?”

Yeah, Zoom has been good for us. It's good quality, and you can still see other participants during a presentation.

On the free plan there's a one hour cap to meetings, which is ideal as nobody wants to be in a meeting longer than an hour.


The main selling point of Zoom seems to be their handling of large group conferences though.

Have you ever attended a meeting where some people are remote while others are gathered in an office? That's often worst of both worlds. The alternative of just having everybody use zoom even if they're in the office disturbs everybody else in the office.

Yeah, we pay for Slack for chat and 1:1 voice/video, but all our group meetings at work are using Zoom. Far better experience, and the video quality has been great. Have had a few instances recently where people couldn't join the call and had to re-create the meeting, though.

Every government and school meeting I've had to attend over the last two years is on Zoom. We tried to go with someone else but peer pressure made us get a contract with Zoom for all classes.

The only thing worse than a Zoom meeting would be paying to watch other people in a Zoom meeting.

> What sort of issues are you encountering?

Not OP but we are forced to dial into the meetings separately even if many of us are in the office and could use a whiteboard in a conference room. Remote colleagues can join the conference room remotely and at least those in office can get to have a conversation of a higher fidelity. But our company bans it for "fairness" - as in everyone must suffer Zoom equally.


A bit difficult when your org has decided to use Zoom for large meetings.

Although I nearly universally would be happy to skip those meetings, so…


I wish it was true. Every meeting at my job requires Zoom.

My team sometimes just hangs out in zoom, not talking. It's better than an open office since it's opt in.
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