If Musk had murdered someone in secret, he still wouldn't just disappear with no formal charges or acknowledgement of what happened.
Ignoring the fact you haven't actually made any accusations, "disappearing" someone just doesn't happen in the US to US citizens.
And I'll get in front of it: no I don't consider foreign citizens on US soil "the same thing". While the US does provide robust protections for foreigners (relatively speaking) it's never fair or honest to compare the treatment of a citizen in one country to a foreigner in another.
I doubt the US would take their citizens suddenly disappearing in a country very well either, and keeping it hidden would be difficult. Maybe you could secretly convict a soldier who desecrated corpses or something, but people like Gina Haspel would be nearly impossible without ramifications.
Perhaps you should re-read what you wrote. You specifically stated that US law does not apply to US citizens abroad.
In addition, one of my examples specifically allows the prosecution of non-us citizens for their actions abroad toward US citizens. This directly contradicts the point you claim you were making but didn't accurately state.
People in those other countries don't have a right to complain. If you have something incriminating in many countries you just disappear, possibly after a show trial.
The US doesn't really have a working legal system for things happening outside its borders. In fact as a non US citizen outside the US you don't have much protection at all.
Indeed. Some citizens in your country having common beliefs or interests as people in another country is their own business. We all have allies and like minded people abroad. Maligning fellow citizens as foreign dupes is a common and despicable tactic. If you find actual evidence of specific crimes, prosecute them, otherwise it's just dirt flinging.
Disappointing that you're being up voted, as this just isn't true. Foreign citizens in the US are held to the standards of US law, just as US citizens are held to the legal standards of the countries they visit. So your blanket statement is immediately proven false.
And even in this specific case, in espionage cases, the US can choose to prosecute and basically abduct anyone in the world they want, provided they're willing to put up with the political consequences. Not saying it's right, but if you think you can spy against the US (or many other countries) and face no consequences because you're not a US citizen, you might be in for a nasty surprise.
If the "foreigners" are visitors to USA, they would face real difficulty getting the law interested in this sort of case. Perhaps other nations are more welcoming to obnoxious tech dudes?
If a foreign citizen commits a crime in the U.S., does the U.S. not have the ability to prosecute him just because he's not a U.S. citizen (= "registered as a company in the U.S.")?
This isn't a counter-argument against the person you're replying to, though. One can pick from numerous examples of the inverse(though the US doesn't round them up & disappear them, they go through the court system)
A friend was a teenager in NYC with diplomatic immunity. His older brother was driving when they were caught speeding. The policeman showed him some photos of a wrecked car, a youth's dead body, and said he didn't want to meet my friend's father.
The infraction gets reported to the embassy. Some countries don't care, but a European country for example will not be pleased if their staff are breaking American law.
You can break American law without ever going to the US (and for that matter, the law of any country really). If I hire an assassin to kill someone in the US, I don't ever have to set foot on US soil and I am still breaking US law.
It really doesn't matter where I am physically to break a law of a different country. Now whether my country is going to extradite me is a different question.
My point is that "guilt" should be determined by the laws of the country you reside in. Even if google is guilty of it (I'm not saying they are), it doesn't mean this guy is. Why? Because they abide by different laws, since they are governed by different laws.
To me, this is as preposterous as if Norway had strong ties with some Muslim country, and extradited me because of caricatures of Muhammad.
Ignoring the fact you haven't actually made any accusations, "disappearing" someone just doesn't happen in the US to US citizens.
And I'll get in front of it: no I don't consider foreign citizens on US soil "the same thing". While the US does provide robust protections for foreigners (relatively speaking) it's never fair or honest to compare the treatment of a citizen in one country to a foreigner in another.
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