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I object to this slavery analogy entirely. I do not believe it is appropriate.


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Adding slaves into the analogy is a bit strawmanesque

Am I the only person here who thinks his "slavery" analogy is written in poor taste?

There's also no justification for owning slaves, so it seems like a pretty apt analogy.

Very sound reasoning. By the very same reasoning, the debate about whether to abolish slavery (in the US) should still be in full rage. After all, who could definitely predict whether those poor people would be able to survive without their masters providing them food and shelter and protecting them from the harsh reality (with hardly a benefit for themselves)?

But I'm sure you will be able to demonstrate why this is not an appropriate analogy.


My thoughts are that invoking slavery to denote a dependency is ridiculous.

The actual analogy would be:

"We need to start learning how to simply NOT THINK about slavery, and NOT MENTION IT."

Do you see why this would not be an effective way to eliminate slavery?


Equating that with real slavery is incredibly insulting and insensitive. You are making a mockery of their suffering.

I don't agree, but I think my argument would work equally well if we took the example of being born into slavery.

This same argument could be used to justify slavery. I'm quite unsympathetic to such arguments, especially when talking about the lowest classes of the society (as measured by wealth).

> MIT-like freedom is the "freedom to sell yourself as a slave".

I don't think this analogy is strictly wrong, but the tone is insensitive enough that it is unlikely to be persuasive to the people you are trying to persuade. (Also, some will feel that it diminishes the gravity of actual slavery.)

I agree with your point, but I think you would be better off stating it in a different way.


I think you are making a comparison to slavery, which is not relevant because no one is suggesting that it's okay to own another human being.

This is pretty gross misuse of the word “slavery”.

For me you’re demeaning the word “slavery” by suggesting that anything in this discussion is even close to that level of horrific, evil brutality.

My point was that trying to paint slavery as being particularly objectionable in the face of just as seemingly reprehensible (but not at all in context) metaphors of child murder, is disingenuous and pointlessly selective. Child murder and slavery are horrible and I can't believe I actually have to specify this. They are both ongoing, so your argument from ancestry doesn't work. There's millions of slaves as we speak, many more ancestors of slaves and many who have had their children murdered. That doesn't somehow make those metaphors irredeemable when put in purely technical context, e.g. slavery as a relationship of total control and ownership by one party over another (actually just as applicable to S/M -- a consensual sexual practice, as it is to real-life slavery).

I will have fun talking to HR, thank you.


> You are suggesting that available of opportunity and future outcome make slavery ok.

No, he's suggesting that consent makes a situation that looks like slavery not slavery at all.


> Moving away from "slave" was reasonable

It wasn't, because it didn't make any sense. Using 'slave' as a metaphor doesn't imply slavery is good.


I disagree. Using a probably hyperbolic metaphor: I don't want to be a slave but neither do I wish to be anybody else's master.

This is a horrible thing, but it's not slavery. That's just a rhetorical device.

And slavery has been around for the length of humanity and still exists today. That doesn't mean it's appropriate.

Ultimately it's subjective and a value judgment. You do you.

EDIT: I shortened OP's "not entirely inappropriate" to "appropriate"

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