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> but I can imagine many people would see telling a noble lie (of omission) to defer that inevitability for as long as possible as the right call.

Whatever the benefits of that “noble” lie are have to be weighed against entire generations of people learning that there government has no qualms about lying to them.



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> What someone tends to say makes no statement about their current argument.

Not so. If someone has lied in the past, that is evidence that their conscience permits them to lie, and so they are more likely to lie in the future.

> The take away from that story should be that every statement has to be evaluated in isolation.

Again no. The takeaway is that you should not lie, because if you do people will be less likely to believe you in the future.


> And yet, they are also true if they are statement of fact:

The whole point of lying by omission is that the statement is true -- even when what is communicated isn't.


> Who really wants to live in a world where it’s so much easier and effective to lie than to tell the truth?

I don't think anyone wants that, but this has been the case since the invention of the printing press and probably longer. It also gets really tricky when what is a lie vs. what is truth is not obvious.


> consequences for lying is higher than the average citizen

This has never stoped them from lying, since they already know who will be believed.


>There is no such thing as a legal obligation to lie.

So what are you supposed to do if you're not allowed to disclose something and someone directly asks you about it? An obvious evasion is clearly going to be a de facto admission, and you're not allowed to admit it, so you either have to lie or mislead. I'm not sure the distinction between a lie and a misleading statement is particularly meaningful in this context.


> Just playing the devils advocate here, but what if you're not lying.. what if you're just keeping your mouth shut, for millions, maybe tens of millions?

The you're not just lying to others but also to yourself.


>"Why would they lie?"

If it would be prudent to do so, and if there is enough reasonable doubt that they could get away with it.

Edit: This is the rationale for telling lies, twisting truths, or otherwise being dishonest. I'm not actually claiming they were indeed lying, just giving a cynically Machiavellian answer.


> Historically correct but do we need to tell that part of the story going forward?

Yes. Hiding the truth is almost always wrong.


> The one I've found that works well is ignoring the deceitful liars.

That doesn't work if a large number of your fellow citizens believe them.


> Shouldn't we privilege protecting people from lies vs protecting people from the truth?

Indeed! I couldn't have put it better myself.


> Strategizing on how to lie is unacceptable to me.

Where are you getting this? Who lied?


> lies are unsustainable

Lots of lies are perfectly sustainable, but I have a feeling they tend to be the flattering lies (to someone).

We only hire the best.


> lying is bad

I taught my kids otherwise.

I found that lying is no more intrinsically bad than truth telling is intrinsically good. Both truth and lies commonly enable terrible harms.

Like pretty much everything, it depends. Consideration is a much better policy than honesty.

> lying is bad, especially when done for profit.

This so often ends up in a bad place that I'll likely flag it as problematic - even before I have complete information. But that's because of reality & history, not an arbitrary rule.


> Was there ever a time people would trust a piece of paper in isolation?

Pretty much all of history. We love it when facts supporting our beliefs are isolated in a single source. We also love it when a source is ambiguous enough to let us draw our own conclusions.

The lie of omission has a long track record of being effective. It has the benefit of being useful to the source and/or the receiver. There's redundancy in falsehood selectors. Either the source will lie or we, on the receiving end, will lie. The truth often doesn't stand a chance; somebody is gonna find a way to isolate.

Trust is not a behavior that is reliably rational. One could argue that it always has an element of emotional attachment to the familiar.


>I would trade a supernuclear family over truth any day of the week.

This is interesting. If you had an incredibly happy life, why would you always choose potentially emotionally damaging truth over that? Especially if the alternative is that you never know there is a lie and that lie doesn't actually matter.


> There is an adage with which my father frequently admonished me as a child: You can lie as much as you like, but don’t believe your own lies.

Strange advice to give a child.


Author: > It is often stated that people who lie have a tendency to add too much superfluous detail to their accounts.

Goes on to provide too much superfluous detail to his own account. /s


> if they were really being truthful, I think they would.

What makes you so good at telling when people are masking some underlying truth?


> I’m all for it.

Not me. I abhor pretty lies, even when the knowledge of the truth proves to be harmful.

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