> Tiktok fosters a home for a vast number of entertaining and informative content creators that give them an edge
Vine did this too which is a big part of why it's so surprising to me: Vine didn't just have the tech but they had the community. You can still find Vine compilations on YouTube with millions of views that capture the vibrant set of content creators that Vine once had.
Honestly the only real difference between Vine and TikTok in my mind is that Vine was more focused on comedy while TikTok is more focused on music. Otherwise the two services were pretty much identical.
> "I'll never understand why (a) Vine was shut down, and (b) So many Americans are eager to rush out and use a Chinese social network."
TikTok is a better app than Vine was. It has far more features (visual effects, etc) and does a good job of making them easy to use. This all translates into better growth and retention.
TikTok was also very well marketed. Lots of slick online ads that went straight to their target demographic. I'm not sure if Vine ever knew quite what it wanted to be.
> Vine was loved and was shut down by a part time CEO.
Yep. Then the community moved to Musical.ly, then to TikTok. Although the company is gone, Vine is still around in spirit. And I think the same applies to TikTok, too
> TikTok (called Douyin in China) was created a few months before the discontinuation of Vine. Its current edition is the result of the merger of the original TikTok app with Musical.ly, which was founded in 2014 and became popular in 2015. TikTok is similar to Vine in that it is a simple short video platform with the added option of Duet, meaning that two different TikTok creators may collaborate at different times to create a final video; The Verge called it "the closest thing we'll get to having Vine back". TikTok is not much younger than Vine, as its predecessor Musical.ly was introduced only a year after Vine's inception, but it exploded in popularity in the late 2010s, in the years after the Vine app was shut down.
> That's great but vine had and still has a great brand
Gen Z doesn't even know what vine is. That's the majority of tiktok users. Reels and TikTok already have the brand. Relaunching vine would be dumb. Only millennials would care and it would just be the millennials that used it before, not new users.
Also, Vines felt really standalone. TikTok manages to feel both like a community and like cable TV: you can choose to interact with replies and remixes, or you can just passively sit back and let it serve you an endless array of amusing 15-second clips, with a stream that quickly learns what you like and shows you more of it.
>It's not about short videos, it's about the algorithm.
People have short attention span so it was about short videos and yea it's also about discovery algorithm. Vine didn't have a chance at Twitter and now Twitter is going down as well....oh well. Tbh I never used Vine nor TikTok, I just read about them but did Vine have some sort of discovery feature akin to TikTok or YouTube?
Twitter/Vine did not want to pay creators. I don't know the history on why YouTube/Twitch/TikTok figured it out and why Snap/Twitter/FB drag their feet with it. I remember there was a turning point where many large creators on Vine decided to move to Instagram/YouTube because it was easier to monetize.
Vine was nothing like TikTok. The editing tools of TikTok are vastly superior and lead to much higher quality videos with higher probability of being worth watching.
Vine was mostly shitty little 6 second clips of meme like content. Good for some laughs, but ultimately vapid and shallow. By the time they even wanted to experiment with longer format content they were done.
Vine was funny (really funny) but Tiktok shows you what you want to see, and that’s more powerful. It’s very effective and scarily addictive in a way Vine wasn’t.
Didn't vine die and tiktok thrive because the biggest content creators were semi-pro, not individual spontaneous creatives, and tiktok provided better monetization options?
The secret sauce of TikTok isn't the availability of short video. Its short video with the world's library of music. TikTok is about music videos.
More importantly, Twitter would have messed it up. If Vine would have lasted until 2020 it would be filled with riots, violence and left wing politics - a reflection of Jack Dorsey (and staff's) attitude. Just like twitter.
Vine was pretty limited and never really evolved much beyond its earliest implementation. TikTok has powerful editing, remixing, and a very good recommendation engine that Vine never had.
I don't agree with this at all. It was much easier to find good content on vine because vines spread organically. TikTok rewards whoever can appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Vine's an example of the beginning of great idea that wasn't taken to its full potential. There are significant key differences between vine and tiktok. There are three that come to mind.
Tiktok expanded allowed uploaded video duration up to 3 minutes.
The For You Page algorithm (which drives the content you see in the feed) is scarily impressive in how it can match the viewer with content they would most want to see.
Lastly, and probably most importantly (in my opinion) Tiktok fosters a home for a vast number of entertaining and informative content creators that give them an edge. Vine mostly went for entertainment in quick six second bursts.
Vine did this too which is a big part of why it's so surprising to me: Vine didn't just have the tech but they had the community. You can still find Vine compilations on YouTube with millions of views that capture the vibrant set of content creators that Vine once had.
Honestly the only real difference between Vine and TikTok in my mind is that Vine was more focused on comedy while TikTok is more focused on music. Otherwise the two services were pretty much identical.
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