>The moment hospitals made being vaccinated a requirement for receiving care (which is horrific and would never happen), every single unvaccinated COVID patient would simply lie and say they were vaccinated.
How would this work if by getting vaccinated you get a record of the vaccination? The card everybody receives isn't the only record of vaccination. There's some database (or multiple). Hence why in California specifically you can look up your name and cross-reference it with where you received the vaccination and it'll show you your digital record along with a QR code that links to it.
every single unvaccinated COVID patient would simply lie and say they were vaccinated
You realize medical records are digitized and shared across medical institutions, right? I got vaccinated at a county clinic, but my health insurance provider still knew without me having to tell them.
> It's more meaningful than using the honor system.
It is the honor system. Anyone who wants a blank CDC vaccination card doesn't have to look far to find one. Requiring them as proof for anything is just a bureaucratic checkbox.
This doesn't address anything I said. Please directly address these two points:
1. You cannot prove someone has been vaccinated as the system currently exists. That ship has already sailed. Anyone can opt out by lying that they got vaccinated somewhere that doesn't keep public records. Those mandating vaccinations have have to accept this because vaccines aren't approved for more than 2 (or 3) shots, so you can't force people to get vaccinated again if they don't have a verifiable record. Even if there's a worldwide database rolled out, it's too late, too many people got vaccinated off the record.
2. You CAN prove you've had covid with a high degree of certainty. Recent tests have low false positive rates.
Why let people slip out of the vaccine mandate with an easy lie yet corner those who have already had covid and therefore better immunity than the vaccinated? It's nonsense that ignores reality.
and I can't get that to recognize that I've been vaccinated. I was vaccinated at Stanford, and their health record system, which I can access online, shows that. But the data didn't make it to the state system. Stanford customer support blames the state. State customer support says "contact your health care provider".
"the little card that I got with my vaccination is not meaningful proof."
It's more meaningful than using the honor system.
And it's not your "medical file" a lot more than your driver's license is. It tells one significant detail about your medical history, and that is it.
I prefer bars where I know I am safe, and one where there are people like yourself who claim to be vaccinated but resist showing proof, don't make me feel safe.
"...as a consequence of the pandemic, tons of organizations will rely on proof that you’re vaccinated to grant you access. This includes flights, cruises, sporting events and other scenarios where strangers congregate. None of these organizations (or the vaccine passports hoping to serve them) are care providers, so even in states where they operate, they wouldn’t by default be able to access the state IIS [state immunization registries]."
IMHO not sharing my medical records with private companies is a good thing.
> Also, in many cases, "proof of vaccination" includes a cell phone photo of the piece of paper they handed out when you got a vaccine, so as it stands, lying is pretty easy.
One critical difference is that there will be legal consequences if you're using a fake proof of vaccination.
> Some states/some doctors would fire up the presses and within a month 95% of the antivaxxers there would have a certificate regardless of actual status.
Then test them and fire the doctors who deciced to lie.
I didn't pay enough attention to the vaccine paperwork, but did we consent to providing our detailed vaccine records to the California government? I found out today that the vaccine cards are theater; for actual proof of vaccine you need to show a page from a government website with their QR code on it. They already had my data. So much for medical privacy.
>CA will have the strongest state vaccine verification system in the US and will require state employees & healthcare workers to provide proof of vaccination—or get tested regularly.
This is clearly different, as it allows testing your way out of getting vaccinated.
...what are you even talking about with "you can't prove a negative?"
The link I provided "is an electronic vaccination record drawn from the data stored in the California immunization registry."
It doesn't accept user submissions; it only accepts data from recognized health organizations. The website allows you to put in your name and birthdate and get a QR code that can be scanned and will take you back to the website, showing dates you were vaccinated. It requires someone confirming that the QR code is directing them to the correct website, and confirm name and birthdate, but that's far more available to actually check than a PCR test.
Meaning no need to rely on easily faked vaccination cards; you instead ask for a QR code, scan it, and confirm it took you to the government site, with a name and birthdate that matches some government issued picture ID. Still 'beatable', if you have good fake ID for a person who has been vaccinated, but just as good in 'security' as relying on a PCR test (since it's still ultimately pulling from a publicly readable, only privately writeable DB), and probably a better assertion than "PCR test", since it can work for everyone, and tells you the date of vaccination (whereas date of antibodies being detected doesn't tell you anything about whether they still have natural immunity now).
The first paragraph is how I feel. I'm vaccinated, but fat luck asking to see the card. I almost laughed when it was suggested to me at the vaccination site, by the administrating nurse, that I should get it laminated and put it on a lanyard.
> There are a number of 'special' vaccination sites in the USA which are indeed vaccinating first come, first served people without going through any special qualifications/eligibility check.
As well as entire states in certain parts of the USA.
For example, Texas, where you only have to be at least 12 years old[0]. In many cities in Texas, they're at more than 50% and running out of arms to stick them in, and definitely very short or no lines. No idea why California has those requirements instead of just opening up more jab spots.
Vaccinated California residents can obtain a digital COVID-19 vaccine record here:
https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/
What, you're back already!? Did you test the QR-code?
After a Photoshop session making wallet cards for myself and my wife, I tested the QR code. It was unreadable for each of us, on several iOS apps including Camera, and with an online QR-code reader. I've seen one Twitter report with the same experience.
It would make some sense for this to be an intentional security measure, but the FAQ says nothing about this. On the other hand, there are newspaper reports of incomplete issues, but no reporter thought to test the QR-code. One would hope that California tested the software?
Firstly, there no way to check someone’s vaccination status. There are fake cards, there are people who got vaccinated before government databases, there are people who got vaccinated without documentation, there are people who got documentation from medical people who didn’t actually perform the vaccination.
Secondly, it is massively against a breach of ethics to intentionally withhold care from people because of a moral judgement. Medicine knows where that goes and is strongly incentivized to never go there again.
How would this work if by getting vaccinated you get a record of the vaccination? The card everybody receives isn't the only record of vaccination. There's some database (or multiple). Hence why in California specifically you can look up your name and cross-reference it with where you received the vaccination and it'll show you your digital record along with a QR code that links to it.
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