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The main point is to get congestion out of roads and your solution is to increase congestion. Nice!


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The point is to reduce traffic and raise revenue.

perhaps the goal isn't eliminating congestion, but allowing more mobility. meaning people can accomplish more things, make more trips.

The solution to traffic jams is naturally ‘more roads’!

what’s the solution to congestion?

It doesn't solve the congestion problem though since lots of drivers are on the road for other reasons.

I mean, that would reduce congestion too:)

yeah but the point is do we really want to reduce congestion by making poor people unable to afford transportation

I don't follow. How does this help with pollution and congestion?

I mean is the goal to be fair or to reduce congestion?

I think it could help solve congestion as a problem too. Maybe cars could book their routes, and the road brokers will maximise for #cars/destination instead of allowing people to keep piling in even after the useful capacity is exceeded.

Would be better to fix traffic congestion. Like building alternatives to cars...

It would also solve congestion, though.

It tries to relieve congestion by reducing the number of cars on the road, not by improving road capacity.

They're not necessarily taking cars off the SAME roads though (think arterial highways vs surface streets).

There's also Braess' Paradox to be aware of, which means that reducing congestion can actually INCREASE congestion. https://brilliant.org/wiki/braess-paradox/


Also mitigates road congestion

It would also reduce traffic in cities.

Urban highways solve a political problem. When you have voters that spend a hour or so a day stuck in traffic it's really easy to sell them the idea that a highway will reduce traffic congestion without them having to change anything about their daily routine (ie. take public transport, bicycle, walk)

Since the highway will only reduce traffic congestion for a short time it's something you can sell to the voters again at the next election.


My point was that in most places none of these things you mentioned actually helps reduce congestion except brute force capacity increase by building more or wider roads somewhere.

Sure, there always are some cases where fiddling with lanes, transport types and other relatively cheap means of changes makes traffic better, but in the end simply more roads are needed.


So you want to reduce traffic by making the roads less enjoyable and more expensive to drive on? Not exactly the type of solution I would like be excited about.
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