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> Truly stable countries don’t have coups at all.

A failed coup attempt is not a coup.



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Truly stable countries don’t have attempted coups at all, then, if you really insist on being pedantic.

Truly stable countries don't have coups at all. A coup of any kind is a sign of instability.

>though we did almost have an internal coup.

no, we didn't. there's no plausible way the people there would have seized power.


> He moved to a country that soon suffered a de-facto coup

No, it didn’t.


>Let's say the coup had been successful.<

Why would anyone say that? It wasn't a coup by definition and, even if it had been, neither the people you'd need to bribe/murder nor the records you'd need to burn and replace were present.


> How about a very slow and deliberate take over. Would that work?

No, that is not what a coup is.


> but it doesn’t sound that different than US presidential elections

Huh? It was a coup, not an election.


> So stage a coup

Have you ever stayed a coup? It is very very difficult. And historically, the consequences of coups have been mixed.

It's like people saying the Russians should just overthrow Putin...


>stable government

The previous administration attempted a coup to retain power....


> But this did involve the storming of a legislature in session in a obvious attempt to thwart the proceedings in a power grab

I mean, that's a coup attempt. There's no need to look for another term. It was an incompetent coup attempt, sure, but the term still applies.


> We don’t have a word as popular and overused as “coup” to describe the attempt to shut down the transfer of power

The more technical term for the kind of coup attempted (an extension of power beyond the legitimate term or scope by or on behalf of the current leader, is “auto-coup” or “self-coup”.)


> actual coup

> will be elected

An election is not a coup just because you disagree with the elected peoples' views.


> No they're usually defined by military and government officials taking over institutions to overthrow the elected government.

No, a coup doesn't have to be by military and government officials (though they are usually best situated, and in any case were involved in the autocoup attempt of which the attack on the Capitol was a part—but neither the whole, the beginning, or necessarily even the end once it failed.)

And a coup attempt can (this specific subtype is called a self-coup, autocoup, or autogolpe) seek to irregularly extend the powers or the term of the current leadership, not overthrow anyone already in power, and this is what the one involving the 1/6 attack was.

And a coup attempt doesn't always involve taking over anything, in the same way a murder attempt doesn't always produce a dead body.


> A coup? Seriously? Have you seen what a coup looks like?

Yeah, lots.

> They usually involve armies and mass executions

Military coups are one kind, but even they often involve only a fairly small group of officers, and a few trusted henchmen to execute the coup. Often, key military leaders don't use the military, they just prevent security services from intervening to stop the coup attempt. (Which executive branch officials did for some time during the 1/6 attempt.)

But not all attempted coups are military coups, and the class known as “autocoups”—attempts to extend the domain or time of the current leaders power beyond it's lawful parameters—often look different anyway, since they aren't centered on displacing the existing leader but either disrupting and/or providing an excuse for cancelling a regular change in power or forcibly pressuring some other government body (often by incapacitating or removing key opponents) to acquiesce in a change of terms.


> there's no plausible way the people there would have seized power.

The sitting President was the one who attempted the coup. He didn't need to seize power -- he already held power. The objective of the insurrection on Jan 6 was to prevent the transfer of power, which they absolutely almost did.


A coup doesn't have to be successful to be a coup.

> The coup thing is fairly unique, though.

Not as much. It was heavily inspired by the events in the USA.


Unsuccessful or incompetent coup attempt is still a coup.

Just because it wasn't a very good or well organised coup attempt doesn't mean it wasn't a coup attempt.
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