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> not outright lying on their reports

Above you said he lied on a report, now you're saying he said something on Reddit.

Show us the report he lied on.



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>> it implies he lied

It says he lied, explicitly, just with slightly nicer words. Whether he did or not, that is the definitive reason the board is giving.


> lied about having secured financing.

He says he did have funding secured. He elaborated on the details in the recent TED talk.

Do you have any privileged information about the incident or are you just casually calling someone a liar based on third-hand news you read online?


> he opened multiple accounts

You got your facts wrong. He did not do that.


> has been caught lying about a bunch of stuff

Would you mind linking to some of those? He's not my cup of coffee, but I always saw him as a fair guy.


>>my bet is that the last paragraph of the statement holds the key:

No, this is obviously the key:

"review process by the board, which concluded that he was not consistently candid in his communications with the board"

This is an explicit statement that he was lying to the board about something. It cannot be worded more clearly unless switching to use the word "lying".


> He's a confirmed cheater.

No; it's confirmed that he has cheated. If you believe that this is a quality of a person that cannot be changed or rehabilitated, that is fine, but you should take ownership of it and not attempt to represent it as a fact.


> It says he lied, explicitly, just with slightly nicer words.

No it doesn't. "Not being candid" does not explicitly mean lying. It's like the old tea towel joke where the people at the bottom say "it's shit" and the manager one rung up says "it's manure" and the next one says "it's fertilizer" and by the time it's reached the CEO they're saying "it promotes growth".


> called someone who was convinced his company was worth more a liar for saying he knew it.

No, that wasn’t the lie. From the horses mouth:

“It comes down to this: my intent was to deceive. I was intentionally pretending we had another offer, and he detected it.”

https://twitter.com/apartovi/status/1447324896904638467


>Perhaps the problem isn't someone else

Yeah the problem is you. Not someone else.

>that he literally didn't do anything wrong here.

What he did wrong is insert his opinion and possibly pin a comment and edit a title of a topic that has a conflict of interest. That is wrong wrong wrong.

Put it this way. In a court of law he'd be thrown out.


> would be

this is a joke, right? He almost certainly did some of this.


> I'm pretty sure the bar for proving a report was made in bad faith would be much higher than the bar for proving there is abuse happening.

Why in the world would you be sure of that?


> are you saying it’s a better strategy to just not comment on it

Yes.

> Seems like a strong denial would go much further here.

"But he would say that, wouldn't he? Why would he deny it if it was fake?"


> What a puff piece

Absolutely

> Obviously paid for

That’s not obvious at all, in fact you’re making a pretty severe ethical accusation against specific people and it’s almost certainly untrue.

I wish people could understand the difference.


>How do they verify accusations of harassment etc.?

Most likely? They do not.


> The people who created Drew Cloud are liars. And they lie for money.

If this is a crime lock me up.

Who isn’t lying in some way at work everyday?


>Do you think he is a liar and if so what do you think he is lying about and why?

I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish. While I don't agree with user=irrigation's comments, I think he's been pretty clear: the claims don't jibe with his experience as a consultant and he's skeptical about the self-promotional aspects. It's hardly ambiguous.

So why are you demanding he come out and call patio11 a liar? That would be an asshole move. Instead he's saying "I don't believe it", and there isn't anything inherently wrong with that. We're all just "some guy" on the internet, who cares?


> asking for a disclosure

Bullshit, before you even finish the sentence. You didn't ask, you accused. Did you read the context of the tweets you linked?


>The fact you think my inability to talk about some secret work I have done means that I've done something unethical is ridiculous.

The evidence we've seen so far says no, it's not ridiculous. Prove otherwise any time :)


> I just don't believe it's accurate.

I have no idea why would you accuse GP of lying. You don't know him. Do you routinely judge if a person tells the truth based on some words he used?

Also, you confuse the GP's feelings about the situation right now with his attitude back then. Back when it happened, he didn't know of a 3 months long plot against him. Now he does know. He was shown the (obscenity censored because it would apparently alter the meaning of my post) documents, he read it black on white. Just before getting fired, too. It's nothing strange that his wording now is emotional and blunt, it says nothing about how he was back then.

Lastly, of course, there are polite ways of telling people to censored, you know why off politely. It's what assertiveness is all about. There are people, however, who don't really care about the form: they just can't stand others disagreeing with them. I don't think it's that rare a trait. How about that line of thinking:

"He's too polite, he's trying to hide something. And he dared to disagree with me, his superior. More than once! I don't have the time to deal with a time-bomb like him, which can blow up behind my back at any time. I need an army of easily controlled people to help me further my career. Yeah, it would be safer to spend a few minutes more and slip a couple of lies when working on his evaluations."

Preparing reports which are not true, yet are not outright lies, and which make some person look really bad doesn't really take much time. Especially if one does it for a living.

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