I think that's the point: to show how much, for how long, and how consistently Tesla has been lying about this. These are not offhand comments made once or twice. Every single time FSD is talked about in public, Tesla releases a statement like this through Musk.
Well, that's also the thing - internal docs and interviews have shown that Musk was well aware that "FSD will be here, this year", year after year, was not ever going to be true.
It might be because Musk is a hypocrite, with vested interests and a dubious relationship with the truth.
Just a couple days ago Musk tweeted out he would enable 'full self driving features' in August. It was a craftily worded, trivial statement, and basically means that people who paid for FSD would get a few minor upgrades.
Nonetheless, several dozen media outlets happily, uncritically gave him some free advertising, with many falsely implying or reporting outright that Tesla's would actually be able to drive themselves come August.
Did Elon get upset about that? Of course not. Lie, distort and pander all you want, so long as you're saying nice things about Tesla.
Say something negative about Tesla, though, and it's off to the Ministry of truth with you.
My previous comment was flagged so let me add some more context around "Musk claims".
Remember Musks claims of FSD being X months away (for years), and SpaceX will be cheaper by orders of magnitude, and Twitter will be open to all free speech, and the cyber truck, and new roadster, etc etc? The point is, Musk has shown himself as unreliable and we can hardly trust his claims.
What a very strange article. It starts by (rightly) expressing scpeticism that Musk's claim that FSD would increase the value of the car, and finishes by complaining that FSD didn't increase the value of the car. It's exactly what you (and everyone else) predicted - FSD does not turn your car into an appreciating asset and it never will.
Perhaps start by considering that Musk makes far grander claims about his "autopilot" and "full self driving" than other manufacturers.
He's already sold many thousands of FSD upgrades with the claim that the cars would be worth multiple times their purchase cost because they could be an Uber-like self-driving 'goldmine' for their owners when they would be updated by 2022-23. Yet last year and this were full of news about how badly FSD forks up events such as left turns and encountering fire trucks.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Musk really hasn't put up anything more than smoke and mirrors.
If you want to go further, he's also choosing to be a very public liar. E.g., when Alex Jones first wanted to come back to Twitter, Musk's public response was “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.” That is as crystal clear a statement as one could make that Alex Jones and vile liars and child-death profiteers like him are unwelcome — permanently. Yet, today less than two years later, Jones' account was restored. That's just the most recent egregious lie.
So yes, making vaporware claims and taking money for them without fulfillment, and publicly lying about things people care a lot about, often merits additional scrutiny.
I’m not sure I follow... you and Musk agree FSD isn’t here now, so of course drivers must keep full attention.
As to him making claims about the future, perhaps he believes it. In any case, there is a history of his companies doing “the impossible”; economical reuse of rockets was considered by many to be hot gas by him. Conmen don’t usually deliver to that level.
> Musk didn't raise money on the basis of these lies. He raised money initially with no claims about FSD.
April 2019 - Tesla Autonomy Investor Day - Musk makes various claims of your Tesla turning into a profit center via "robotaxis", million robotaxis on road in 2020. "In two years Tesla will be making cars with no steering wheels or pedals."
https://ir.teslamotors.com/events/event-details/tesla-autono...
Elon Musk is just blatantly falsely advertising FSD by this point. He's trying to sell a technology that a) doesn't exist, and b) has no guarantees of being ready anytime soon. I wouldn't be surprised if people started demanding refunds pretty soon.
I assume that the relevance is that Tesla's claims don't count for much until they actually deliver. Elon Musk has a long history of misleading people about Tesla. Whether it's embellishment, overestimation of what they can accomplish, or outright lies is up for debate, but the fact remains that they habitually over-promise and under-deliver. I consider him and his companies to be completely untrustworthy. He could be selling water in the desert and I still would never buy another thing from him.
While I wouldn’t just naively say Musk is 100% innocent, most of these examples are cases of really bad estimation.
Nobody would care about the slipped FSD timelines if they hadn’t paid for it. Tesla’s mistake was charging for it.
I chose not to pay for it since I knew his estimates were rubbish. But most don’t. Doesn’t mean It’s fraud. They have been working on it. And you can see it in people’s cars.
> I don’t think Musk was intending to deceive with FSD
If it were an outlier event, sure. But his entire motive seems to be to deceive; he's pathologically disingenuous. He has not earned the benefit of the doubt.
The substantiation is Musk's own words, easily visible to all.
Part of the "nothing is true" aspect is to make people start to doubt their own eyes. Let's not fall in honesty to the point where Musk's own Twitter timeline is not proof of what he is saying.
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