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Broadly, my objection is that these linguistic changes have had no positive impact on anything meaningful, and instead act as a corporate smoke screen for real issues.


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What recent changes to the language do you specifically dislike?

I agree. It's one thing to advocate for change to a language. Like the introduction of "Ms."

It's another to lie to justify your argument.


Nothing they write is actionable, so I'm not sure how changing the language would affect anything. Imho it amounts to little else besides fear mongering, if there isn't actionable advice.

This is common nonsense. Those people who have stake in new language push and disparage and those that have stake in the old contrast. It's the old 'not broken' argument but your emphasis are particularly egregious in association and I don't believe you have done any real work other than posting.

New languages are not a good thing.

I don't see anything in your list of complaints that is about the actual language, not meekly about the culture surrounding it. The established perceptions of "best practices" are much more in need of a shakeup than the language itself. Maybe replacing the language is the only way to achieve that change, but then it would be more like a necessary sacrifice than a goal on its own.

It hurts the language. People who could help improve and advocate for the language think twice before getting involved. People want to feel good about their language of choice, see this use something else.

So, you argue to not add a feature to the language because it would fix one of the main points of criticism? That is silly, don't you think?

I believe another aspect of point 1 is that, they believe that whatever injustices are out there in the world, will be fixed if they just change the language to be of such a format that such injustice can no longer be described.

It's naive at best.


I completely agree with you, with the qualifier that the article is very much part of the problem. These sort of issues always start small and then the media picks them up and splashes them on the front page purely as outrage bait.

I have absolutely no reason to care about this issue. I'll bet 99% of the people reading the article have absolutely no reason to care. I don't care if I see Latin(o|a|x) on a form, if I was creating a form and someone asked me to include Latinx I'd say 'sure, why not'. This is an artificial culture war created by a click happy media.


It only applies when not advocating against proven language features.

I was responding to this: "Changing the language doesn't bring anything." and this: "You cannot reduce risk, you can only replace it with another", not to the Wikipedia entry. The Wikipedia entry is very reasonable, and does not make the same outrageous claims.

Languages are not products. The analogy is not reasonable.

These people are making language objectively worse and should not be encouraged.

I share your irritation and I'm a bit worried about the language future because of this conservatism.

Definitely. It's an even weirder thing to grumble about here, in that the language change is the means to an end: saving lives.

If somebody were getting all riled up about tomayto versus tomahto), I'd say that a complaint about policing language was reasonable; that really is purely a language thing. But generally when I hear it somebody is actually opposed to a substantive change but won't come right out and say it.

That always seems weird to me. You'd think somebody so excited about being able to say what they want would, y'know, say what they want.


Convincing people to stop using such a flawed language when there are so many viable (and in nearly all ways preferable) alternatives.

Who cares? It doesn't make the language any better.

Agreed, discriminating what language contains is the issue.
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