> * In Australia, Canada, Israel, South Africa and the United States, between 40 and 70 percent of female murder victims were killed by their intimate partners.
Why is that a bad thing (except that you're killed)? If with men, the percentages are not so high, and the rest are killed by random people, then surely women are better off - it's easier to investigate murders, find and punish the killers, even prevent murders.
> Relationship of Murder Victims to Alleged Offenders, 2021
> Of the estimated 4,970 female victims of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter in 2021, data reported by law enforcement agencies indicate that one-third (34%) were killed by an intimate partner (figure 1). By comparison, about 6% of the 17,970 males murdered that year were victims of intimate partner homicide.
> Overall, three-quarters (76%) of female murders and more than half (56%) of male murders were perpetrated by someone known to the victim. About 16% of female murder victims were killed by a nonintimate family member—parent, grandparent, sibling, in-law, and other family member—compared to 10% of male murder victims.
> A larger percentage of males (21%) than females (12%) were murdered by a stranger. For 1 out of every 3 male murder victims and 1 out of every 5 female murder victims, the relationship between the victim and the offender was unknown.
It doesn't seem impossible that women are just as likely to shove or slap a man they're in a partnership with, though I'd like to see more followup than this article to be convinced.
However, the statistics on murder are pretty fucking clear: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/07/homicides.... Given the frequency with which murder is preceded by a string of violence requiring medical attention, I'd wager that's similarly unbalanced.
For your source The victim has recently separated from the offender. That's the second half.
Note, the stat I quoted included women killing women not just women killing men. Men are also far more likely to kill an ex partner than woman.
As to the sourse, I was on a project dealing with violent crimes in the US army at the time. I remember being somewhat shocked but not the original material.
Edit: I can't seem to find the details, so I am willing to accept I am not recalling this correctly.
I think he has a better point if he focused on intra-relationship murders. In these cases its usually women who are the victims in most country statistics i have seen. From the swedish one:
> I alla 10 fall av dödligt våld i en parrelation 2022 var offret en kvinna, vilket var 5 fall färre jämfört med 2021
=> In all 10 cases of fatal violence in a couple relationship in 2022, the victim was a woman.
Yet, Women are also more likely to kill there intimate partner. (This flips if you include ex partners.) Which may seem like a surprising statistic, but women often feel the need to use weapons to equalize a physical situation. Which can easily turn deadly.
Of children under age 5 killed by a parent, the rate for biological fathers was slightly higher than for biological mothers.[4]
However, of children under 5 killed by someone other than their parent, 80% were killed by males.[4]
Males were more likely to be murder victims (76.8%).[4]
~ 1 in 4 women and ~1 in 7 men will be victims of severe violence by an intimate partner in their lifetimes.
I checked stats. For women, 2 or of 5 murders are be partners. 15 times as many women were killed by someone they knew then by stranger. These are data from 2013.
So, if you live in place where kidnappings are the biggest danger, that place is outlier place. It is not so much that i an privileged for not worrying about it, it is that the city you are in is really bad.
Without any real data, and widely varying estimates of reporting rates, why do you find it difficult to believe?
Gut feeling is not a valid scientific method :)
Yes, murder is definitely more accurately reported, because, well, in most cases, it's always investigated (if you are murdered, generally, the police investigate). Males commit ~90% of murders in the US.
In fact, it shows that males kill females only twice as much as females kill males, which is a lot higher than most people expect females to be.
Males also get killed by strangers (relevant to the original discussion) at a rate >2x higher than females:
Male Female
Stranger 25.5% 11.9%
(Sadly, none of the source data is in that PDF, and honestly, for a mostly side-argument on hacker news, i'm just not willing to go looking very hard :P)
p.s. since you mention gay couples, worth noting that 94% of male partners killed in DV are killed by women. Also that 41% of lesbian couples in Australia report having experienced abuse by same-sex partners, 29% for gay men (AIFS, 2015) and even less for hetero women. Yet, government and the radical feminists dominated DV organisations in Australia still keep pushing the line that only men are violent.
Violence is not exclusive to murder. Men are socially shamed for being victimized by women. My experience with sharing my stories of abuse have led me to completely hide it away from anyone; I will be judged as weak, incompetent, emasculate, or worse. To the best of my knowledge on the topic there
hasn't even been much serious inquiry into male victimization[1].
I do not doubt that given their significantly higher natural testosterone men have both a greater raw rate of violence and more incidences reported.
That said, Intimate Partner Violence carries significant psychological trauma. You are completely downplaying that trauma, focusing on only the most extreme and rare cases.[2] 1 in 3 women and 1 in 4 men report having experienced Intimate Partner Violence.[3]
I don't get the XKCD analogy. Are you inferring that women who are aware that the actual statistics say that they will be murdered by a loved one are more likely to be killed by a stranger?
Thinking about a typical victim of college dating violence, you're probably imagining her, not him.
Yes, that's because the typical victim of dating violence is female. The article doesn't seem to show any sense of proportion, as if the existence of a woman abusing her male partner "disproves" research concentrating on the much more prevalent case.
For example, from wikipedia:
Men kill their female intimate partners at about four times the rate that women kill their male intimate partners. Research by Jacquelyn Campbell, PhD RN FAAN has found that at least two thirds of women killed by their intimate partners were battered by those men prior to the murder. She also found that when males are killed by female intimates, the women in those relationships had been abused by their male partner about 75% of the time.
I don't like when a problem that is largely committed by men to women is equivocated like this -- "it could happen to anyone!". Well, yes, but it probably won't.
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