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This may come off as jokative, but the people that are tricked could always ask for a picture of the person with a newspaper or a love note for proof that they are talking to the actual person, and not just some impersonator.

Personally, I can't get past the fact of falling for someone online. Just today I met one of my online professors and it was awkward, yet online we're both very chatty.



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Meeting people online before you know them offline is always a risk. People are good at misrepresenting themselves online (either on purpose or by accident).

How does one even game it unless you’re putting up fake photos? And at that point - what’s the point…? That person won’t date the actual you.

It's very embarrassing to admit attraction to someone in person. On a dating site you're trusting the site to be the friend who says "Hey you two both like each other".

The problem you have to solve is convincing people to invest time in a stranger. And forgo safety. After a few online dates people learn that writing skills don't always translate to personality. Stunning photos don't mean stunning in person.

I've noticed the same technique on dating apps. 9/10 times if the person you're talking to is not real they'll send a 'casual' looking photo after 3-4 back and forth messages, completely unsolicited.

I used to do the same when online dating -- despite many people's claim to the contrary, much of dating is physical (i.e. visual) attraction, so I sent additional pics (natural, not staged) early in the conversation just to find out if it was going to go anywhere... whether solicited or not.

But I was male -- if a super attractive woman sent me pics unsolicited, then I knew it was a scam. (my apologies if any real women were out there that look like super models, but were searching for your true love online if only someone would help you pay for a visa)


You can't just "ditch" online dating to find something serious.

More and more, people seem to mistrust and misunderstand face-to-face communication. Sometimes, they even lack the words to describe a meme or emoji.

For the majority of us, If you talk to a random stranger in a coffee shop/museum/gym, the conversation will be often awkward or reckless.


I'm surprised that nowadays this trick is considered so fresh. I've done it back in the day in the 90s on chatrooms. But then I was a stupid teenager, nowadays I wonder why these guys do this nonsense. I'm not into online dating right now, but couldn't they gather the same information by simply talking? Isn't this hack a trick reserved for socially awkward people who can't make up a decent conversation on the spot?

Dating IS a game no matter if you're looking for sex or a relationship. It's always a stack of little challenges and responses, and yes, there's also tricking involved. What I implied in my post is that no matter if these online hacks get you where you wanted, in the end you only got there because you were faking accounts just to start a conversation.

Second of all, IRL or online, for me it's about doing it the natural way - you know - talk to people. That's what dating online on dating websites should look like, but from the ammount of 'hacks' and 'howtos' I read about, seems it isn't. If I'm to waste my time playing against bunches of creepos with armies of fake accounts instead of socializing with real girls - sorry, I'm out.

Saying that "not everyone you like will be attracted to you" is a very nice way of putting it

Aren't you replying here to ZoFreX's post above, which is not mine? :)


I feel like dating online is a blind shot in so many ways. Good news is that if the person lied about their looks, then you know it’s not a match!

Very good point. In addition, so many things cannot be represented digitally in dating/flirting. So much body language and unspoken signals go into reading of interest and intrigue between two people. Albeit my knowledge of dating sites are limited, it would seem being able to replicate unspoken communication is nearly impossible, especially when people are represented as images and text. Sorry for no citations, just a personal opinion based off of my history of reading a limited number of psych and body language books

I honestly thing finding partner online is damaging relationships.

Attraction to someone should be based on real interaction, not virtual profiles that are far away from reality.


This happened to me many times as a teenager.

If you have never met someone, the problem is that we many times only show one side of ourselves through text only...and often times, it's different than reality.

We would meet up after weeks or months of email/texting and the person would be completely different in terms of the fantasy portrayed online.

After this happened a few times, I had a rule of meeting the other person within 2 weeks or move on.


There is still significant stigma against online dating in many communities.

Its still quite common for couples to come up with an agreed upon lie about how they met lol.


I think there's some truth to that. On the other hand, it does allow you to connect with people that you would've likely never incidentally crossed paths IRL to express romantic interest in the first place.

You seem to have the knowledge and skills to pull this thing off. I'd advise against wasting your time doing so. For several reasons:

Taking anything people say in their answers at face value is a mistake at best, naive at worst.

These are not technical specs. These are people describing themselves publicly. They'll most likely be inaccurate either by design or unconsciously and rightly so. Yes, rightly so. You can have a PhD woman who drinks wine in her bath tub while she reads Sartre and dissecting Stravinsky who'll be wanting to get her head banged against the head board at that particular moment. Do we think she'll put that thought on her profile? No. She'll refrain from saying that because society likes clear cut labels and will reduce that complex human being to one tiny aspect of her humanity.

That's one reason.

The other reason building all that AI for "online dating" isn't a worthy endeavor is because the point of online is discovery and initial contact. That's it.

Discovery is when you notice a human being you didn't know before. Initial contact is exactly what it says: making contact.

Once you discover their existence, you make contact. You chat for a bit and hopefully you like each other to a certain degree. Then you go to another platform, namely Skype, and have a chat to get a feel of each other's vibe, voice, body, etc. Yes, people are willing to get naked but only for people who're used to get other people naked.. One of those "free for those who can afford it" things that are thrown at those who aren't starving for it.

But maybe they're listening to some music they find cool (sometimes really cool music) and they want you to listen with them.

Then from Skype to exchanging phone numbers. Skype and not Facebook because Skype is a better firewall than Facebook. It's easier to eliminate someone from your life after a Skype chat than after a Facebook one because if you stumble on an unstable person, now they have access to your friends and your real name and can stalk you or cause a scene. Also, Skype is more discreet. It avoids them the questions from other people about you. Maybe it's too early to parade you in front of their friends. Maybe they're afraid their friend steals you. Maybe they're engaged. Facebook adds degrees of freedom people would do without at this stage.

After exchanging phone numbers, you meet. People decide if they want to have sex with another person during discovery and contact and if they're going to have sex with another person during a Skype session. In other words, you can in most cases directly meet somewhere suitable for this (taking a room) for you both want each other.

And there you have it, the beginning of a relationship.

From this, you see that the actual time spent with each person on the discovery/contact platform is tiny and doesn't justify building "an AI" for it because it'd be like building "an AI" for football locker rooms when the game is played on football fields. A better example would be building an AI to handle powering up a computer and finding the best ways to push the power button. The problems in software don't exist because people don't know how to turn on a computer, it what happens next.

Similarly, the problems in "dating" don't exist because people don't "find" other people.. It's because they lack the skills to take it from there to add to their lives and to the lives of those they meet.

As I said, you seem like a qualified person. If I had your skills, I wouldn't be doing that.


I think this is a big problem with the whole concept. In real life, a glance, flushed cheeks and a smile tells you everything you need to know about basic attraction. Online, there's the back and forth over bullshit like music and film and food (which all matters to long-term relationships...but without the spark, there won't be a long-term) before you ever even get to meeting the person face to face. I don't know if going online can ever really make it more efficient.

My friends don’t know my dating criteria. Jobs can be well defined, but personal preferences are more difficult to express. Nuances matter.

The real problem is not with online dating but with fake accounts. I used to write well crafted letters that resulted in interesting dates. Now, I have no easy way of verifying I am not writing to a bot.


Charm. Online dating is so rampant, people who have experience charming in person will have their pick.

When I was dating I was fortunate to have a large enough match pool to experiment with this. The result: a stupid copy-pasted throwaway line or emoji had roughly the same results as a message I put some thought into. The second category got a few more responses but in terms of conversion to an actual date there wasn't an appreciable difference.

The takeaway for me is profile pictures, physical appearance and class/status signifiers (vacations, hobbies, nice things in/around the picture) were all that mattered and if someone was sold on that all you really had to do was not get in your own way by saying something stupid.

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