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"Technical innovation" has been redefined to mean a much lower bar of novelty. And business / commercial novelty is not technical novelty, though I realize that may be hard for the ycombinator gang to agree with.


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That's not innovation.

> That's why "technical novelty" ranks ridiculously low on scale of things that make most successful software businesses these days: if anything technical novelty is more of an albatross on most software businesses than a saving grace.

Not convinced. Why did Google beat Yahoo? Why is Facebook huge while Friendster and Myspace are jokes? At some point - perhaps further down the line than most of us are used to thinking of - technical ability matters.


I wouldn’t call this “innovation”.

I wouldn't call this innovation... it's cool, yeah, but let's stop using the word innovation for each cool feature created

This is more invention than innovation.

Ah, the innovation of our age... isn't innovation after all.

No, it's marketing more than innovation.

I’m not sure how you’re getting to “not innovative”.

This seems more like the success of novelty than a viable longer term, broader implemented model.

Right, but that's not an innovation.

Innovation. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Seriously this is such an over used and hence watered down word. Every new thing isn't and innovation, novel maybe but not innovation.

The assembly line was an innovation. Ride sharing was an innovation. Pokémon go was a novel use of tech.


Perhaps I'm confused, but this seems like a non-sequitur. We're not discussing innovation.

"innovative" !== "technologically innovative"

There's a difference between deep tech research (which truly can be revolutionary) and "revolutionary" consumer gizmos. I don't think the analogy holds.

Agreed. What's your point, exactly? So you agree that in either case it is not innovation? Didn't you just claim it was two posts up?

I'm not sure announcing products with no capacity to manufacture them should be considered "innovation".

No. Innovative.

I have a response to what was the original top comment but now got displaced[0].

In short:

1) If you trivialize any technology nothing is new. Advances happen (mostly) by small steps, not leaps and bounds. According to the article it is more efficient. Seems like a win. Even if it isn't huge or crazy different. Is the lack of novelty because of: their tech? Our understanding of the tech? Something else? Who cares? If it is different it is different.

2) So what if it isn't (very) new? According to that wiki article that engine is made by one group. So even if its novelty is simply different enough to bypass a patent or in house knowledge, so what? More competition is good. What's the point here? We love monopolies? Only one company can make one type of thing? Type being at the abstract level, not detailed?

I'm not sure how either of these is helpful. Maybe you're saying something else, but it isn't clear to me.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40044358


"Regrettably, we now use ["innovation"] to describe almost anything. It can describe a smartphone app or a social media tool; or it can describe the transistor or the blueprint for a cellphone system. The differences are immense."

I cannot agree with this more. We may not be able to re-create the environment of Bell Labs, but I'm hoping to see more in terms of actual science (and it will be at the nano-scale) in the future, rather than seeing so many people create yet another social app, claiming that it's "revolutionizing" an industry.

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