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I'm not american, but sometimes I wonder if those things happen because a smart evil person manages to convince another negligent and unintelligent person to do a bad thing and take responsibility for it.

I mean I don't think we need full communism to prevent and solve this kind of crazy finance thing, but it's really weird how americans will often fight against common sense regarding finance, safety and risks.

There are days I want to believe capitalism can be "reformed" and made better, but other days, I tend to think finance should be managed and tightly controlled by the government to limit the level of damage foul play can do. And yet I can already hear armchair economist answering me about the invisible hand, the collective intelligence of the free market, decentralized decision making, etc.

It is really weird how currency and economics have been hijacked by politics. Such a weird phenomenon.



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As an exasperated American who does have occasional conversations with other exasperated Americans, I know a lot of us see this and are stuck in our social/cultural current of people repeatedly informed that they should be angry and scared at reform of any kind.

You can't suggest anything without being browbeaten to death with someone's "Freedom" ideal that generally excludes solving any problems.

We're being shot. Don't ask about gun control, if we do that we'll spiral into a tyrannical hellscape (the irony)

People can't afford to get sick. Don't mention socialized medicine, you'll just end up footing the bill for illegals.

The capitalist class is abusing the working class, unions have their own problems so "ehh," and then there's people bending over backwards to take the perspective of the billionaires.

I expect any drastic finance reform would be met with similar fear from a class of people only ever abused by the thing they're protecting.


I’d be happy to engage: please suggest a better system that does a better job of channeling people’s selfishness vs capitalism.

I'm not anti capitalism, but it needs better regulated. This is my point. We say we need some guard rails and safety protections, you take it as I want to burn capitalism to the ground.

same with guns. We need gun control. There's a world of gun control examples to sample and decide what or what combination might be a good starting point for us, we can't get to the table to talk about it.


Right now in the US we live in a very heavily regulated capitalist system. I’m not sure why you think there are no laws regarding capitalism.

The same is true of gun control. There are many, many laws already on the books regarding gun control. Yet you take the disingenuous approach of “they won’t even engage in a discussion about any sort of regulation”. The discussion is happening constantly, just because the outcome isn’t the one you want it doesn’t mean there isn’t a conversation.


> We're being shot. Don't ask about gun control, if we do that we'll spiral into a tyrannical hellscape (the irony)

Firearm homicides are concentrated among people who are mostly already criminals. I'm happy to give you sources if you'd like. Gun control wouldn't work well for people who already aren't following the law.

In terms of a truly "random" shooting that people are sensibly more afraid of, like a mass shooting event, you're roughly about ten times more likely to be killed or injured by that than being killed or injured by a lightning strike. Even for people younger than 45, heart disease or narcotics overdoses each kills more than gun homicides. By your logic, we should have fast food control and revamp the War on Drugs, leaving aside the fact that there is an actual enumerated constitutional right to civilian firearm ownership.

If you care about people being shot by others, banning AR-15s from law-abiding citizens does approximately nothing, so I find that a focus on gun control is not well-reasoned.

> People can't afford to get sick. Don't mention socialized medicine, you'll just end up footing the bill for illegals.

Healthcare costs are elevated in this country, sure. There's a lot we could do to alleviate that, including deregulation. Socialized medicine isn't all sunshine and rainbows, either; our northern neighbors are waiting an average of three months to see a specialist after being referred by a GP, then another three to four months before they receive actual treatment by that specialist. It's a classic example of a government-imposed price ceiling leading to a shortage.

> The capitalist class is abusing the working class, unions have their own problems so "ehh," and then there's people bending over backwards to take the perspective of the billionaires.

> I expect any drastic finance reform would be met with similar fear from a class of people only ever abused by the thing they're protecting.

Yes, those poor dumb rednecks who are always voting against their interests. I hope some day you can bend over backwards to take the perspective of the rednecks and see if you can find a different reason behind their motive.


I'm not talking about poor dumb red necks. I'm talking about dumb middle class software engineers with closets of shotguns and ARs for 'protection', that roll coal and talk shit about vaccines.

shut the fuck up and and realize the problem isn't farmers and rednecks its inner city twats that think they're farmers and rednecks. I live in AZ.


> shut the fuck up

I made a good faith effort to engage with the discussion points you raised. Have a nice day.


Maybe instead of categorizing them as angry and scared they just have different opinions on what your changes would result in

That would mean they'd be willing to discuss solutions and not freak out and rage at every conversation or potential solution. you're talking about a group of people with no solutions.

Because governments have a great track record of preventing harm when they take things over.

> It is really weird how currency and economics have been hijacked by politics. Such a weird phenomenon.

I don't follow. If currency and economics aren't directly in the realm of politics, then nothing is.


>i think finance should be managed and tightly controlled by the government

>it is really weird how currency and economics have been hijacked by politics. such a weird phenomenon.

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One persons common sense is another persons nonsense and it goes both ways with finance!

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