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bryanlarsen · 2022-09-27 10:52:18

Level 3 is widely considered to be a bad idea. Relying on a driver to take over quickly is a recipe for disaster.

treis | karma 8962 | avg karma 2.72 · | 2020-06-26 11:33:42

There's gotta be a level 3.5 here. Cars almost always don't require a driver and can safely stop and transfer to a driver when they do.

pavon | karma 3906 | avg karma 4.66 · | 2021-08-25 16:47:57

You don't need a driver in the car for level 4. That is level 3 and below.

Gasp0de | karma 985 | avg karma 2.86 · | 2023-06-10 09:31:38

How is that different from L2? SAE Levels 0-2 demand constant supervision and the ability to take over at any moment. Level 3 is actually better, as it only requires you to be able to take over after a short (e.g. 10 second) notice. Levels 4 and 5 do not require the driver to be able to take over (e.g. drunk, sleeping, no license).

https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update

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arkitaip | karma 5703 | avg karma 2.51 · | 2017-01-29 02:43:40

Your driver must be a real level 4 driver.

jedberg | karma 72921 | avg karma 5.98 · | 2020-06-26 07:44:03+00:00

I rode in a Zoox car two years ago. It was already at level 3, almost 4. The driver took over once but didn’t even have to. The car was about to do the same thing the driver did, he just got nervous.

stale2002 | karma 4359 | avg karma 0.86 · | 2017-01-24 05:09:00+00:00

Level 4 doesn't require driver change over. Level 4 is "it works perfectly on highways and in major cities". Level 4 is awesome!

Level 5 is "all cars in the entire world don't have steering wheels anymore". Yeah, level 5 is hard, but who cares, level 4 is good enough.

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johnnyb_61820 | karma 125 | avg karma 0.87 · | 2021-10-04 17:37:53

Looks like they are aiming for level 4 and still using safety drivers, though.

dventimi | karma 259 | avg karma 0.42 · | 2023-09-25 14:28:28

If Level 5 means there is no driver, then Cruise and Waymo already don't have drivers.

jacksmith21006 | karma 1319 | avg karma 1.28 · | 2018-06-23 12:59:17

Not really surprising. You can't be kind of driving. We really should not allow L2 and L3.

Should be just L1 and then L4 and L5 where no driver is needed.

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NovemberWhiskey | karma 8094 | avg karma 3.27 · | 2022-03-22 08:33:12

How is this different from riding as a passenger in a taxi, for example?

Also: Drive Pilot is a level 3 system, not a level 2 system. That's the entire point.

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abc_lisper | karma 1557 | avg karma 1.85 · | 2023-03-12 07:09:25

I would give this 10 points if I could! But that’s level 2 driving. It is not nothing.

airza | karma 2359 | avg karma 5.56 · | 2023-02-21 06:33:49

So it’s being a driver without any of the downtime of a driver? That’s somehow even worse!

wccrawford | karma 16480 | avg karma 3.39 · | 2017-01-19 12:50:26

Maybe other drivers are really good, or maybe this class of driver is really bad?

hugh-avherald | karma 900 | avg karma 2.9 · | 2022-08-16 08:07:15

"With Level 2 vehicles, the driver always remains in charge as a matter of principle."

I don't speak German (and can't access the article anyway), but that seems like a bad translation.

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baby | karma 14476 | avg karma 1.71 · | 2015-12-16 11:04:38

he says phase 3 takes 99% of your driving task. So I guess it would be way more than that.

ra7 | karma 14895 | avg karma 10.99 · | 2022-10-31 11:28:26

SAE Level 4 driving is several orders of magnitude harder than SAE Level 2. You are either good enough to drive without requiring a driver or you are not. There is a reason developing L4 systems cost billions of dollars.

George Hotz thinks Comma does the job with only a fraction of the spending compared to the likes of Waymo, Cruise, Zoox, but fails to realize his product also does only a fraction of what the others are trying to do.

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zeroer | karma 1073 | avg karma 2.36 · | 2017-01-09 00:51:40

Don't worry. Having drivers is not the long term plan anyways.

worker767424 | karma 1138 | avg karma 2.47 · | 2021-03-11 16:29:57

If you read "drivers" as "employees," this is much more mixed and can get scary fast.

wmf | karma 46152 | avg karma 2.46 · | 2011-01-18 23:43:27+00:00

Not if it's a driver.