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All the possible "extreme" dangers and disasters have end result comparable with 1 day of using coal at the scale humans are using it.

>- You need a large water source for cooling, extracting, processing - Limited Resource

Seas are going nowhere. Most NPPs are at the coast.



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It might not be a good metric, but it's still overly generous to coal, because we're already rushing headlong towards huge areas of coastline being uninhabitable because they'll be underwater.

Climatologist here, basically everything is unsustainable if you use coal power. If we’re lucky we can keep steel production and that’s about it.

Coal is cheap, available when needed, requires minimal capital (a mud or brick stove), and is used not just for thermal power generation but industrial use (steel production) and direct thermal heat. In areas with minimal infrastructure, all these are compelling advantages.

There's that long-term downside of destroying the planet. If your planning horizon is next year, or next month, or next week, that might not be a major consideration.

Those who do have a long-term planning horizon must take into consideration those who do not.


Coal was only made once because the earth basically ran out of carbon to turn into coal. There’s 1,100,000 million tons of economically viable coal and we’re running into environmental issues by burning ~1/1,000th of it.

Most projections suggest coal use is going to plummet over the next 50 years, both because we have better options and because we have little choice.

There’s enough coal in the ground to make earths atmosphere actively lethal to humanity. At ~70,000 ppm people are rendered unconscious in minutes and there’s enough coal go well over 100,000 ppm. There’s no way for humanity to use up the worlds coal as fuel, perhaps we could ship it into space as carbon source but that seems unlikely.


Coal has so many disadvantages beyond simple price that it's not even funny. It is by far the most deadly energy generation method.

I’m afraid it won’t be that easy to get rid of coal. Especially without help from nuclear.

Coal is not flexible. They are massive heat plants, so an on/off cycle takes about a day.

Coal use in 2022 set a new record globally though. It is exemplary of how difficult this problem is.

> There's a reason why coal is hauled to power station, instead of being burned near mines.

Not really.

Power stations need a ready and ample supply of water for power generation and cooling. This is why they can often be a long way from mines and oil/gas fields.


I’m confused about what your point is. Coal powerplants aren’t immune from natural disasters and is quite literally putting all your eggs in a very small basket. Distributed systems such as wind/solar distribute the risk across a larger area which seems to be the exact thing you’re in favour of.

Coal is on its way out, so is not a sensible standard of comparison.

So are you going to ignore the maximum risk of other major industrial plants, or do you demand all of those be shut down too?

Please understand that coal has irradiated tons of land too, and in a way we can't even evacuate from. The maximum damage from coal is enormous even ignoring CO2.


By the time we've burned all coal, global warming will be way out of control unless CCS systems are ubiquitous. All studies I've seen point to coal reserves being far, far larger than the atmosphere can handle.

Even if we eliminate coal, there's still too many people and too much consumption.

You've never been to a coal power plant have you?

Go to one and watch the endless trains of coal arriving constantly to power the thing, then come back and rethink what you just posted.


We’re living in a coal energy disaster right now. People fear the wrong things.

True. On the down side, it’s hard to see a failure mode for a coal plant that leave such a massive area devastated for so long, or one that’s so costly to manage.

Actually this summer my country had to temporarily switch off around 3GW of coal power due to the heatwaves, so no - coal is not as reliable as it's presented by some.

I was honestly surprised that Hawaii even had a coal plant. A 500Mwh plant uses 4,500 tons of coal per day - 45 train cars of coal per day. That all had to be shipped in by boat. But just looking it up, apparently a single "capsize" ship can haul 180,000 tons, so only about a dozen could supply a powerplant for a year.

Every time I think of how much coal is used in generating power, I shudder. Have you ever seen a photo of the coal going into a plant? The train cars stretch for miles. All that carbon just going into the atmosphere. We can't switch to renewables soon enough.

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