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sulam · 2021-06-02 20:53:28+00:00

Wow, yeah, never say that. Even if you believe it's true, saying nothing will change is sort of like waving a red flag in front of the bull. Of course things will change over time, they always do!

PlunderBunny | karma 743 | avg karma 2.45 · | 2023-10-19 02:01:05

They always say nothing will change. It's the surest indication that there will be changes.

missedthecue | karma 7595 | avg karma 2.13 · | 2020-11-16 04:10:06

Do you have a quote where they deny it is changing?

hammyhavoc | karma 3326 | avg karma 1.23 · | 2023-12-30 05:48:28

If it didn't change already then it likely never will.

floam | karma 317 | avg karma 2.25 · | 2024-05-13 11:48:53

It’s the past and present, what do you think will change if nothing changes?

sigzero | karma 4147 | avg karma 1.62 · | 2023-10-19 08:22:23

There are ALWAYS changes. I can't (or don't) believe anyone actually really believes it when that is stated.

tptacek | karma 394296 | avg karma 6.04 · | 2012-04-07 17:26:58

This comment doesn't actually say anything. Yes, things change. Yes, that's a part of life. That doesn't automatically make all change for the better.

chris_wot | karma 14762 | avg karma 1.71 · | 2016-05-02 11:49:05+00:00

Not all things always change. Like change, for instance. Change that doesn't change remains the same. Just sayin' :-)

travisjungroth | karma 6418 | avg karma 3.48 · | 2022-04-21 15:46:17

Then it seems like you’ve just stated a tautology. Things don’t change unless they do.

boublepop | karma 1167 | avg karma 2.43 · | 2021-06-05 17:28:43+00:00

That’s what people said before every single change that ever happened.

One thing is for sure, apathy never lead to any change.

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mattclarkdotnet | karma 245 | avg karma 3.36 · | 2016-08-11 10:14:34+00:00

Bravo. Too many people assume change is somehow the same over time.

jackmaney | karma 910 | avg karma 1.21 · | 2015-06-04 15:08:57+00:00

And what makes you think that this couldn't change at literally any time?

ghaff | karma 44589 | avg karma 1.65 · | 2022-05-03 10:02:27

> never

Leadership changes. People change their minds. Something can absolutely be a genuine intent today but that could change in a few years.

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rodiger | karma 471 | avg karma 1.81 · | 2021-04-14 19:46:50

I fully understand that, but sentiment can change. It's disingenuous to say it won't change in the future because it hasn't yet changed.

EgoIncarnate | karma 770 | avg karma 5.27 · | 2018-01-09 18:25:59+00:00

But they don't happen overnight. I didn't say change wouldn't happen, I said it wasn't likely to happen anytime soon.

coldtea | karma 86593 | avg karma 2.38 · | 2024-02-25 16:16:57

>With that attitude nothing would ever change unless there is immediate visible change from a very small group of people making said change.

It's more the opposite: unless there is immediate visible change from a very small group of people making said change, nothing will change in the end.

Which is precisely where all the "personal responsibility", "do it and others will follow" wishful thinking mottos have gotten us thus far: nothing ever changed.

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chillwaves | karma 2044 | avg karma 1.54 · | 2016-03-12 20:49:58

> What happened in the past is not an indication of what will happen in the future,

The definition of change.. but some people seem to believe change does not exist. Is it possible to reach such a person/

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fghtr | karma 1027 | avg karma 3.36 · | 2019-04-16 12:20:00+00:00

Then you do not really want to make a change. Things will not change themselves (except to the worse).

munificent | karma 42023 | avg karma 6.65 · | 2018-06-04 16:44:40+00:00

Yes, but the argument that they have changed is an equally compelling argument that we can't be confident they won't change again in the future.

HeyLaughingBoy | karma 10338 | avg karma 1.69 · | 2012-03-13 15:31:06+00:00

I'm not arguing that it can't or won't change; I'm arguing that it won't change back to what it was before.