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If it didn't change already then it likely never will.


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And what makes you think that this couldn't change at literally any time?

Doesn't mean it can't change. It has to start somewhere.

Wow, yeah, never say that. Even if you believe it's true, saying nothing will change is sort of like waving a red flag in front of the bull. Of course things will change over time, they always do!

They always say nothing will change. It's the surest indication that there will be changes.

That's wishful thinking. The only way things change is if someone wants them to change and fights for it to happen. That means it's a slow, laborious process for the most part.

That kind of change would either never happen or take years to happen. I haven't got time for that.

I'm not arguing that it can't or won't change; I'm arguing that it won't change back to what it was before.

Then it seems like you’ve just stated a tautology. Things don’t change unless they do.

People never change. They are just becoming more so.

It’s the past and present, what do you think will change if nothing changes?

That’s what people said before every single change that ever happened.

One thing is for sure, apathy never lead to any change.


Things that don't change because they've always been that way are thing things that most need to change.

I fully understand that, but sentiment can change. It's disingenuous to say it won't change in the future because it hasn't yet changed.

One can argue that things stay the same until someone (and by this I don't mean a single person) tries hard enough to change them - e.g. now there are dating apps where men simply can't start the conversation. Accepting the status quo as the law of nature certainly won't change anything.

It's a fact that can change.

That's not what matters. What matters is whether or not they can change it in time.

There is no guarantee after a few months this wouldn't go back to the way it was. Too often people think the change will affect permanent behaviour, when change itself affects behaviour.

>With that attitude nothing would ever change unless there is immediate visible change from a very small group of people making said change.

It's more the opposite: unless there is immediate visible change from a very small group of people making said change, nothing will change in the end.

Which is precisely where all the "personal responsibility", "do it and others will follow" wishful thinking mottos have gotten us thus far: nothing ever changed.


There are ALWAYS changes. I can't (or don't) believe anyone actually really believes it when that is stated.
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